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		<title>By: RS</title>
		<link>http://blog.pollas.dk/2006/06/21/business-and-sense/comment-page-1/#comment-5841</link>
		<dc:creator>RS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 06:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting to read this right now. The last weeks I got some offers from different developers to earn some money from my blogging. It seems be a lot developing around blogs now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting to read this right now. The last weeks I got some offers from different developers to earn some money from my blogging. It seems be a lot developing around blogs now.</p>
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		<title>By: pollas.dk [permanent meta] &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Business and sense 2.0</title>
		<link>http://blog.pollas.dk/2006/06/21/business-and-sense/comment-page-1/#comment-5781</link>
		<dc:creator>pollas.dk [permanent meta] &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Business and sense 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2006 10:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Just a small follow-up on my previous post, Business and sense to clear up a few points. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] Just a small follow-up on my previous post, Business and sense to clear up a few points. […]</p>
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		<title>By: pollas</title>
		<link>http://blog.pollas.dk/2006/06/21/business-and-sense/comment-page-1/#comment-5780</link>
		<dc:creator>pollas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2006 08:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not nervous, but disappointed. You&#039;re right, things will be more clearer in 10 years time. My point is that we make sure that whatever people remember in 2016 are the right things. Yes, the buzz and hype effect will wear off in time, but I&#039;ll be damned if the current state of hot air gives people that don&#039;t &#039;get it&#039; more traction as they won&#039;t have to prove themselves, but just hook into a buzz word extravaganza - made and supported by people who actually do get it - but are chasing a quick buck. Also, I&#039;m convinced that all the buzz make it into history. Yup, that dot-com effect ended up wearing off - but it&#039;s still there, obscuring some underlying values that weren&#039;t so bad.

I realize I&#039;m coming across as a frightened purist, afraid that eveything will blow up if not &#039;kept clean&#039;. I&#039;m not - and I&#039;m not afraid. But a lot of things pisses me off - and a lot of things makes me wonder. 

What I&#039;m saying is: I don&#039;t care how little effect something will have in the end. But if it&#039;s bullshit, it&#039;s bullshit - and should be avoided at all costs. If you sign up for something, make sure there are some well-communicated values in there. If you see hot air, call people on it.

I don&#039;t eat shit, no matter how small the amount.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m not nervous, but disappointed. You’re right, things will be more clearer in 10 years time. My point is that we make sure that whatever people remember in 2016 are the right things. Yes, the buzz and hype effect will wear off in time, but I’ll be damned if the current state of hot air gives people that don’t ‘get it’ more traction as they won’t have to prove themselves, but just hook into a buzz word extravaganza — made and supported by people who actually do get it — but are chasing a quick buck. Also, I’m convinced that all the buzz make it into history. Yup, that dot-com effect ended up wearing off — but it’s still there, obscuring some underlying values that weren’t so bad.</p>
<p>I realize I’m coming across as a frightened purist, afraid that eveything will blow up if not ‘kept clean’. I’m not — and I’m not afraid. But a lot of things pisses me off — and a lot of things makes me wonder. </p>
<p>What I’m saying is: I don’t care how little effect something will have in the end. But if it’s bullshit, it’s bullshit — and should be avoided at all costs. If you sign up for something, make sure there are some well-communicated values in there. If you see hot air, call people on it.</p>
<p>I don’t eat shit, no matter how small the amount.</p>
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		<title>By: Gunnar Langemark</title>
		<link>http://blog.pollas.dk/2006/06/21/business-and-sense/comment-page-1/#comment-5775</link>
		<dc:creator>Gunnar Langemark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2006 05:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pollas - 
Buzz is like cursing. The effect wears off if you do it too much.
Hype is like bragging. In the end people stop believing you.

Having said that. I don&#039;t think we should be too nervous about it. It always happens. Someone always takes away what we&#039;ve been doing and makes a lot more noise that we did. There will always be people who don&#039;t quite &quot;get it&quot; - who get all the attention. It&#039;s unfair in a way - sure, but it &#039;s the way things are.

Sometimes it gets at me. I doubt myself and the things I&#039;m doing. I see that only 1% of people I meet really get this. I see that almost noone actually DO it. 
At Reboot 8 there was a workshop on diversity. I claimed that we - at the workshop and at Reboot - were all the same, and that there was no real diversity.
That was NOT the common understanding. But it is the truth!
We are all the same. And we discuss small narrow issues of definition. 
The real impact of what we do - will show in 5-10 years time.
And we don&#039;t know what it will actually be. Although we have some clues......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pollas -<br />
Buzz is like cursing. The effect wears off if you do it too much.<br />
Hype is like bragging. In the end people stop believing you.</p>
<p>Having said that. I don’t think we should be too nervous about it. It always happens. Someone always takes away what we’ve been doing and makes a lot more noise that we did. There will always be people who don’t quite “get it” — who get all the attention. It’s unfair in a way — sure, but it ‘s the way things are.</p>
<p>Sometimes it gets at me. I doubt myself and the things I’m doing. I see that only 1% of people I meet really get this. I see that almost noone actually DO it.<br />
At Reboot 8 there was a workshop on diversity. I claimed that we — at the workshop and at Reboot — were all the same, and that there was no real diversity.<br />
That was NOT the common understanding. But it is the truth!<br />
We are all the same. And we discuss small narrow issues of definition.<br />
The real impact of what we do — will show in 5–10 years time.<br />
And we don’t know what it will actually be. Although we have some clues.…..</p>
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		<title>By: pollas</title>
		<link>http://blog.pollas.dk/2006/06/21/business-and-sense/comment-page-1/#comment-5698</link>
		<dc:creator>pollas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding language, Thomas Madsen-Mygdal did a brilliant presentation at April&#039;s CustomerMade: http://bootstrapping.net/2006/06/24/language-thinking-customermade/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding language, Thomas Madsen-Mygdal did a brilliant presentation at April’s CustomerMade: <a href="http://bootstrapping.net/2006/06/24/language-thinking-customermade/" rel="nofollow">http://bootstrapping.net/2006/06/24/language-thinking-customermade/</a></p>
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		<title>By: pollas</title>
		<link>http://blog.pollas.dk/2006/06/21/business-and-sense/comment-page-1/#comment-5696</link>
		<dc:creator>pollas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Classy, you&#039;re right. In a way I don&#039;t like the whole &#039;industry&#039; part myself; it gets in the way of allowing the concepts to be just that.

When I talk about new language / old language, what I mean is that, while I agree that the less new language we use in these areas the better, when old language doesn&#039;t cut it (and sometimes it doesn&#039;t), we should just try harder - otherwise we risk losing people. The desktop metaphor, for instance, might have made it easier for people to get the idea about what tasks are being done, but that doesn&#039;t mean someone couldn&#039;t have come up with something better, where you didn&#039;t have to accept trashcans on your table... Just as I continue to meet people that feel their knowledge of community practice all of a sudden is worthless because everyone is talking about social software. It&#039;s a fine line. 

The funny thing is, that while definately talking to &#039;the industry&#039;, what I&#039;m trying to do is to get this group of people to stop insisting that their customers are lost if they don&#039;t buy into the concept of &#039;beta&#039;, &#039;social software&#039; etc. They are not - and people tellimg them they are should take a hard think - there&#039;s a good chance they are making everything more difficult for everyone.

(I&#039;ll look into the feed issue - thanks for the heads up)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Classy, you’re right. In a way I don’t like the whole ‘industry’ part myself; it gets in the way of allowing the concepts to be just that.</p>
<p>When I talk about new language / old language, what I mean is that, while I agree that the less new language we use in these areas the better, when old language doesn’t cut it (and sometimes it doesn’t), we should just try harder — otherwise we risk losing people. The desktop metaphor, for instance, might have made it easier for people to get the idea about what tasks are being done, but that doesn’t mean someone couldn’t have come up with something better, where you didn’t have to accept trashcans on your table… Just as I continue to meet people that feel their knowledge of community practice all of a sudden is worthless because everyone is talking about social software. It’s a fine line. </p>
<p>The funny thing is, that while definately talking to ‘the industry’, what I’m trying to do is to get this group of people to stop insisting that their customers are lost if they don’t buy into the concept of ‘beta’, ‘social software’ etc. They are not — and people tellimg them they are should take a hard think — there’s a good chance they are making everything more difficult for everyone.</p>
<p>(I’ll look into the feed issue — thanks for the heads up)</p>
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		<title>By: Cla</title>
		<link>http://blog.pollas.dk/2006/06/21/business-and-sense/comment-page-1/#comment-5695</link>
		<dc:creator>Cla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Such a shame your feed is broken in bloglines, this is good stuff.
I agree with a lot of your points but some of them get in the way of other good points.
First of all - a lot of what you talk about here is so IT-centric. Your best bet is to not talk about IT at all. IT is rarely the point.
And in that regard I disagree with your warning about reusing old terms for new things. I think we should try to come up with much less new language and reuse the old wherever we can. 
Nothing is more disorienting to the denizens of the hinternet than new language (and btw: this is not an assertion about &#039;stupid users&#039; . We&#039;re all stupid users most of the time these days)
&#039;New&#039; is much less interesting than &#039;better&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Such a shame your feed is broken in bloglines, this is good stuff.<br />
I agree with a lot of your points but some of them get in the way of other good points.<br />
First of all — a lot of what you talk about here is so IT-centric. Your best bet is to not talk about IT at all. IT is rarely the point.<br />
And in that regard I disagree with your warning about reusing old terms for new things. I think we should try to come up with much less new language and reuse the old wherever we can.<br />
Nothing is more disorienting to the denizens of the hinternet than new language (and btw: this is not an assertion about ‘stupid users’ . We’re all stupid users most of the time these days)<br />
’New’ is much less interesting than ‘better’.</p>
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		<title>By: Rasmus</title>
		<link>http://blog.pollas.dk/2006/06/21/business-and-sense/comment-page-1/#comment-5666</link>
		<dc:creator>Rasmus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 21:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When reading this, I am reminded why I quit the IT business. Thanks for that. Now, onwards and upwards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When reading this, I am reminded why I quit the IT business. Thanks for that. Now, onwards and upwards.</p>
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